tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post2483311338128789669..comments2023-11-05T00:38:56.097-07:00Comments on 21st Century British Nationalism: The BNP and the ANC - PART 1Defender of Libertyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-12428194173236186322007-09-19T09:55:00.000-07:002007-09-19T09:55:00.000-07:00At least we are agreed then, that the beginning of...At least we are agreed then, that the beginning of freedom is when we first realise we are enslaved. <BR/><BR/>I am just a little cross that an excellent opportunity was missed today after reports that Cambridgeshire police was appealing for extra funding to deal with extra immigrant criminals. <BR/><BR/>If a 1Party banner was already in place at the BNP website, it would have picked up quite a few new members, since I imagine this is the sort of news that would have sent people there IN DROVES. <BR/><BR/>It doesn't matter that Direct Democracy cannot at the moment work. <BR/><BR/>The website just polls the opinions of people who care enough to register their view. Should it become big enough, its views will be unignorable because its membership composition will be diverse and will not be tarred with the same racist brush as you lot. <BR/><BR/>Do you realise how many non-whites - including the Muslims you loathe - are complaining about uncontrolled immigration??? <BR/><BR/>Not many people realise that the Muslims and the BNP are agreed about one very important thing and have been proven to be right - the Iraq invasion. I was at the demo in 2003 and saw almost everyone there - Liberals, the BNP, Muslims, Jesse Jackson, Ken Livingstone etc, and thought what a shame it was that Blair was going to get his way because the faeces-like Cameron felt he had to vie with Blair in playing Britain's traditional role as America's poodle. <BR/><BR/>If we could all have voted about invading Iraq, do you think it would have happened? I like to think not, anyway. <BR/><BR/>Direct Democracy: making the most of our agreement!Claire Khawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557436240917008429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-15371045744343074552007-09-19T09:22:00.000-07:002007-09-19T09:22:00.000-07:00Andromeda I am total support of Direct Democracy s...Andromeda I am total support of Direct Democracy such as referenda etc and peoples courts etc but the problem I have is that such a system will only work AFTER we get into power and change the power of the media and allow people to re-educate themselves rather than allowing them to carry the false beliefs,false consciousness and false needs that the media have inculcated into them.<BR/><BR/>Freedom begins when one first realises that one is a slave.<BR/><BR/>At that point the self begins the struggle for freedom, until that point the slave remains unaware of their bondage. <BR/><BR/>A slave in chains is more free than the slaves in our society, as the slave in chains is aware of their slavery and fights for their freedom. The slaves in our society have no idea they are slaves of the media and therefore have no concept of freedom or their individuality. We slavishly follow the creedo of political correctness in our Public Lives and abandon our individuality to consumerism in our private lives.<BR/><BR/>We are the tribes of Nike and Reebok and coporate whores instead of a proud British people with a strong Britidsh culture and also cringing lickspittles of anyone that dares mutter the word'racism' who crawl away and hide in case of being labelled a 'racist' by any jumped up fifthwit <BR/><BR/>Believing what the media tell you, buying what the media tell you to buy and living how the media tell you how should be living and swopping consumerism for British culture and comfort for liberty are how the slaves remain in chains of their own ignorance.Defender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-88141198571367004072007-09-19T05:49:00.000-07:002007-09-19T05:49:00.000-07:00In case you hadn't noticed, the system of Direct D...In case you hadn't noticed, the system of Direct Democracy I am proposing most resembles shareholder democracy that is NOW in use. <BR/><BR/>As for Herbert Marcuse's One Dimensional Man thesis, I propose solving the problem by promoting the use of Direct Democracy by fringe parties. <BR/><BR/>1Party4All is being marketed as a virtual one-party state that COMPELS its members to think independently, without reference to tribal party loyalty. <BR/><BR/>What possible objection can you have to this?<BR/><BR/>Your manifesto claims to support Direct Democracy, like UKIP's, but obviously only on your own terms!<BR/><BR/>Have you had a look at it, Lee? <BR/><BR/>The most popular topic is a question about your party. <BR/><BR/>Have a look at its members' views. <BR/><BR/>Now, don't you think a 1Party banner would sit quite well on the BNP website?<BR/><BR/>In case you are wondering, it is NOT a registered political party - thought it may sound like one - but an opinion-polling politics website promoting Direct Democracy.Claire Khawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557436240917008429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-88248596370330007392007-09-18T06:32:00.000-07:002007-09-18T06:32:00.000-07:00"I find the concept of 'McPolitics' an interesting..."I find the concept of 'McPolitics' an interesting one but essentially a facile concept for real political parties."<BR/><BR/>So you call Athenian Democracy "McPolitics", do you? <BR/><BR/>**** The idea that the state we live in is anything like Athenian democracy is so laughable to be beyond any comment. Athenian democracy was a system based on ancestral rights, the present British state is based on immigrant rights. As for athenian democracy - you accuse me of being a luddite - it is those that want to replicate the political models of ancient greece are the ultimate political Luddies.<BR/> <BR/>That is in essence what 1Party it is offering: a virtual single party state that allows you to express your political views on all important aspects of government policy, and which COMPELS you to think independently without reference to tribal party loyalty. I guess this is too much for most people to grasp and perhaps a bit scary when they don't know the answer. <BR/><BR/>**** The idea that the mass of ordinary media conditioned people are capable of independent thought is riduclous. First we must deal with the media before the individuals in our society are capable of independent thought - read Herbert Marcuse 'The One Dimensional Man' for a detailed analysis of the probem. <BR/><BR/>However, at 1Party, you only answer the questions you care about, and leave the others to others. <BR/><BR/>Have you even looked at its opinion polls? I think someone who is one of your supporters actually said he would be happy with a party like that - at any rate with its current collective opinion.<BR/><BR/>***** Since when did collective opinion ever change anything for the better in the present system, collective opinion and the social consensus is a product of the media not of independent thought. Just because a thousand sheeple bleat their support for a policy they are told to support does not make that policy correct. <BR/> <BR/><BR/>Obviously it will change the moment a new member registers and starts voting on a range of issues. <BR/><BR/>I notice that, like UKIP, the BNP *CLAIMS* to support Direct Democracy, but only on its own terms! <BR/><BR/><BR/>***** We support Direct Democracy solely on the basis that the media that create the opinions of the masses in our society is changed. That way individuals will have to discover their own opinions instead of vomiting up the opinions the media feed them. <BR/> <BR/><BR/>At least I have realised that, if you do believe in democratic government, you must at some point have to trust people to make the right decisions, without your hectoring them or preventing them from asking or answering questions. <BR/><BR/>****** Whare are you making this up from ? We believe the people should run the country not the media - change the media first, allow individuals to reclaim their individual opinions and then allow them their rights to decide what they want. At the moment the masses are just sheep led to any opinion they are told too by the media. We want a nation of individuals with a range of free opinions - not a nation of sheep all with the same opinions of the corporations that own the media.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"As stated in the article it is the media who control politics, and therefore unless the media are sorted out then any political system that uses such a method will be controlled by the media."<BR/><BR/>How are you going to control the media when you haven't any connections, are completely clueless about media management but don't want to take lessons, seize opportunities or take risks? <BR/><BR/>******* 1) CHANGE THE LAW <BR/> 2) Its not us who obviously needs lessons on the media , its you.<BR/> <BR/><BR/>"Nationalist politics represent eternal principles as opposed tothe present political system that represents transient interests - Nationalism represents the land, the indigenous peope, our culture, our British constitution, our ancestral heritage and our ancient liberties."<BR/><BR/>When you start talking about "eternal" principles, you make me think of religious fanatics who go on about "divine principles". <BR/><BR/>******* Is the bio-sphere not an eternal principle , is not the needs for trees to give us oxygen an eternal principle, is not a homeland for our people not an etrrnal principle, should we not remember the sacrifices of the generartions of our people who bequeathed us our rights and liberties as eternal principles, should we discard our culture, language, art, traditions etc etc or are they eternal principles - stop talking such tendentious nonsense. Nationalism is based on eternal principles rooted in reality - not religious principles situated in the nebulous and the divine.<BR/> <BR/><BR/>Whoever is stupid, weak and wealthy gets invaded and exploited. <BR/><BR/><BR/>***** No, whoever is educated to be ignorant and weak by those that control their society gets invaded and conquered. Before a civilisation falls from without, it must be destroyed from within. Thats the fundamental principe of the downfall of civilisations in history. <BR/><BR/>If they are too stupid and weak to fight back or do anything about it, they become extinct. Yet what are the BNP doing? Asking for more Socialism but for whites only, the very thing that started this country's addiction to cheap foreign labour. Do more of the same, get more of the same! <BR/><BR/>******* More nonsense. This 'the BNP supports socialism' type garbage is nothing more than a neonorman tebbit rant. We support SOCIAL JUSTICE not socialism. We believe the best should rule, not the most corrupt. We believe in meritocracy not oligarchy, plutocracy, heterarchy and a disctatorship of the media, money or the EU.<BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/>"We are opposed to modernism when it invades the sacred spaces of our country and the life streams of our people and culture."<BR/><BR/>You sound just like a Luddite. Are you sure that this is the best way forward for the British people in the 21st century? Darwin's theory was that only the fittest and most adaptable species will survive in the long term ...<BR/><BR/>***** a Luddite rejects technological prgress - we dont. Read the section above for the eternal principles we stand for ;<BR/><BR/>The eternal survival of the British natural environment so that future generations of our children may have clean water, clean air, fresh food and a nation that is filled with natural beauty <BR/><BR/>The right of the indigenous <BR/>British people to always be the masters in their own homeland<BR/><BR/>the eternal existence of our British culture and history<BR/><BR/>The eternal remembrance of our ancestors<BR/><BR/>The remembrance of our dead heroes and their sacrifices for us and the freedoms they fought and died for <BR/><BR/>our British language<BR/><BR/>our traditions and heritage<BR/><BR/>our British Constitution and the rights and liberties of our people<BR/><BR/>etc etcDefender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-31479333021574984792007-09-18T04:06:00.000-07:002007-09-18T04:06:00.000-07:00"I find the concept of 'McPolitics' an interesting..."I find the concept of 'McPolitics' an interesting one but essentially a facile concept for real political parties."<BR/><BR/>So you call Athenian Democracy "McPolitics", do you? That is in essence what 1Party it is offering: a virtual single party state that allows you to express your political views on all important aspects of government policy, and which COMPELS you to think independently without reference to tribal party loyalty. I guess this is too much for most people to grasp and perhaps a bit scary when they don't know the answer. However, at 1Party, you only answer the questions you care about, and leave the others to others. <BR/><BR/>Have you even looked at its opinion polls? I think someone who is one of your supporters actually said he would be happy with a party like that - at any rate with its current collective opinion. Obviously it will change the moment a new member registers and starts voting on a range of issues. <BR/><BR/>I notice that, like UKIP, the BNP *CLAIMS* to support Direct Democracy, but only on its own terms! At least I have realised that, if you do believe in democratic government, you must at some point have to trust people to make the right decisions, without your hectoring them or preventing them from asking or answering questions. <BR/><BR/>"As stated in the article it is the media who control politics, and therefore unless the media are sorted out then any political system that uses such a method will be controlled by the media."<BR/><BR/>How are you going to control the media when you haven't any connections, are completely clueless about media management but don't want to take lessons, seize opportunities or take risks? <BR/><BR/>"Nationalist politics represent eternal principles as opposed tothe present political system that represents transient interests - Nationalism represents the land, the indigenous peope, our culture, our British constitution, our ancestral heritage and our ancient liberties."<BR/><BR/>When you start talking about "eternal" principles, you make me think of religious fanatics who go on about "divine principles". Whoever is stupid, weak and wealthy gets invaded and exploited. If they are too stupid and weak to fight back or do anything about it, they become extinct. Yet what are the BNP doing? Asking for more Socialism but for whites only, the very thing that started this country's addiction to cheap foreign labour. Do more of the same, get more of the same! <BR/><BR/>"We are opposed to modernism when it invades the sacred spaces of our country and the life streams of our people and culture."<BR/><BR/>You sound just like a Luddite. Are you sure that this is the best way forward for the British people in the 21st century? Darwin's theory was that only the fittest and most adaptable species will survive in the long term ...Claire Khawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557436240917008429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-63790143813528059252007-09-18T02:45:00.000-07:002007-09-18T02:45:00.000-07:00I find the concept of 'McPolitics' an interesting ...I find the concept of 'McPolitics' an interesting one but essentially a facile concept for real political parties.<BR/><BR/>As stated in the article it is the media who control politics, and therefore unless the media are sorted out then any political system that uses such a method will be controlled by the media.<BR/><BR/>Nationalist politics represent eternal principles as opposed tothe present political system that represents transient interests - Nationalism represents the land, the indigenous peope, our culture, our British constitution, our ancestral heritage and our ancient liberties.<BR/><BR/>We are opposed to modernism when it invades the sacred spaces of our country and the life streams of our people and culture.Defender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-54382551836710378092007-09-17T14:09:00.000-07:002007-09-17T14:09:00.000-07:00Interesting that you should say you are following ...Interesting that you should say you are following democratic electoral politics. <BR/><BR/>How would you feel about an opinion-polling direct democracy politics website that allows its members to cherry-pick policies they like?<BR/><BR/>It works a little like a virtual single party state that COMPELS you to think for yourself without reference to party loyalty. <BR/><BR/>www.1party4all.co.ukClaire Khawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557436240917008429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-11096779780688884442007-09-16T08:12:00.000-07:002007-09-16T08:12:00.000-07:00Sid, You are totally right in that Mandela was NOT...Sid, <BR/><BR/>You are totally right in that Mandela was NOT a leader of the indigenous South African blacks, but that it precisely how he is percieved and portrayed by the media, the white liberals and the majority of the British and world public.<BR/><BR/>In politics the art of deception is the art of success. In politics what matters is not what is true - BUT WHAT IS BELIEVED TO BE TRUE.<BR/><BR/>As Clausewitz wrote, war is an extension of politics. <BR/><BR/>If that is true then in the modern political battlefield , just as on the modern military battlefield, then one has to wear CAMOUFLAGE in order to survive and avoid being targeted, attacked and killed by ones enemies.<BR/><BR/>The era of Trench Warfare type WW1 politics is over - no more ' over the tops lads and keep running until the machine bullets kill you ' type of politics can be deployed.<BR/><BR/>People like Peter Mandelson and Alistair Campbell understood this decades ago and this is why the Labour Party only became electable when it purged the communist flag waving, red flag singing, Lenin wosrshipping morons of the Militant Faction from its ranks. <BR/><BR/>Those Militants who accused the Labour Party of 'abandoning its principles' are now nowhere. Today we have the 3rd Labour government in a row led by those the militants once called traitors. Whilst the Militants are in the political wilderness, the labour party is in power and changing British society every day. <BR/><BR/>The Labour Party was a political party set up to take power via the democratic process ( as is the BNP ) and therefore those that called the party 'sellouts' for adopting a populist approach to getting into power (as opposed to adopting the political cultism of the Militant Faction that merely alienated the majority of the voters required to get the paty into power ) were frankly idiots. <BR/><BR/>The Labour Party and the BNP are both doing what they were meant to do, which is take power. <BR/> <BR/>The WHOLE point of the political process is TO TAKE POWER - without power ones principles are just so much hot air. Only when in power can one apply ones principles in such a way that one can change society.<BR/><BR/>I can respect those that put their principles before their politics as individuals, but I cannot respect them as polticians and nor will Itake their political criticisms. <BR/><BR/>The years we have wasted on 'Posture Politics' that alienated us from the masses and that drove Nationalism as a political force into the margins of society can never be claimed back. <BR/><BR/>We have less than 50 years before we become a minority in our own country and therefore able to take power back via the democratic political route.<BR/><BR/>We can waste no more time on Posture Politics, and we can tolerate no more the type of extremist rhetoric that alienates us from the conditioned masses and that allows the media (who control British society and the British politicl process) to constantly undermine our political growth.<BR/><BR/>We can no longer give the media easy targets, we can no more allow our own people to shoot the movement in the foot, we cant afford the extremist types that regard getting votes as a waste of time.<BR/><BR/>The real disciplined nationalists follow the hardest path of all - the path of democratic electoral politics.Defender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-70832397241077393602007-09-16T07:03:00.000-07:002007-09-16T07:03:00.000-07:00The truth of the matter is that Mandela was never ...The truth of the matter is that Mandela was never a nationalist leader of indigenous black South Africans. That was the only point I was trying to make. A great deal of word play going on here, and fair play to you, but it doesn't change facts. Mandela was the African version of Gerry Adams, and any Irish Republican can make exactly the same claims as you do by linking him to Nick, who by the way I have met and liked very much. Which brings my brief entry to another point you raise. As a leading member of one of the smaller parties, I can honestly say that hatred of the BNP and / or it's leader is not on our agenda. We have many differences, had this not been the case then why would we bother? But I personally made it my policy to stop BPP members from attacking the BNP, in fact I told our members to vote BNP in the last local elections, and stood down the only two candidates we had ready to stand, because the BNP were standing in the same wards, and obviously had a better chance than us. we already know your policy of proscribing us, and my advice all along is that your proscription was and is right for your party. The 'false flag' accusation was untrue and uncalled for, but we did not respond, mainly because it was election time, and we refuse to hinder any form of patriotic nationalism in Great Britain.<BR/><BR/>Anyway Lee, thank you for answering my first post on your blog. I'm all for continuation of this kind of dialogue, but won't hold my breath.<BR/><BR/>Best wishes, PSW.SOD14https://www.blogger.com/profile/13482175622069702110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-63127946676122932252007-09-16T01:49:00.000-07:002007-09-16T01:49:00.000-07:00That should of course say Nick Griffin is very muc...That should of course say Nick Griffin is very much Britains Nelson Mandela - and that is a corrct analysis.<BR/><BR/>If people used this wonderful thing called LOGIC then that would become apparent.<BR/><BR/>I have spent years in the nationalist movement trying to get nationalists to THINK as opposed to HATING, to embrace the clarity and purpouse of directed rationalism as opposed to embracing the fog of irrationalism and mindless hatred.<BR/><BR/>Hating is what our enemies want us too do as it empowers them to create and pass new laws to clamp down on free speech in the guise of tackling 'Hate Speech'. Those that use Hate Speech and embrace Hate Politics merely empower our political enemies against us. They work for and assist the enemy. <BR/><BR/>We are fighting a DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL struggle and that requires logic to win it - whilst the decades long path of hatred embraced by the nationalist movement ( against Jews, Catholics, Slavs etc etc ) has led nationalism nowhere. <BR/><BR/>The people who espouse hatred are nothing more than marginalised and insignificant voices in British nationalist politics living in social, economic and political ghettos and going nowhere.And so are the pitiful little pseudo-political cults they are members in and support. They are jokes. <BR/><BR/>The aim of democratic politics is to take power - anything that delays that process needs to be rejected. That is pragmatism - anything else is idiocy.<BR/><BR/>The one thing the BNP has done is prove that those parties, and their activists , that preach hate are social, political and cultural irrelevances.<BR/><BR/>Thats why they attack the BNP and hate the BNP - as they are pissed off we have shown to everyone in nationalism - and most importantly British society - just how useless they are, how obsolete their ideas are and how pathetic their little pseudo-political cults are.Defender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-54417364181368323982007-09-16T01:37:00.000-07:002007-09-16T01:37:00.000-07:00Unlike in South Africa the indigenous whites in th...Unlike in South Africa the indigenous whites in the UK ARE the indigenous people and their rights are minimised and ignored. This article is about two things - the way the liberals and media media portray the ANC and its cause and secondly how they do not apply their own logic and standards to the BNP.<BR/><BR/>In the terms of a politician fighting for majority white rule in the UK, as Mandela fought for in South Africa, then Nick Griffin is very much Britains Nick Griffin.<BR/><BR/>The fact that reactionaries amongst the Nationalists who confuse their own antipathy to the ANC with the logical analysis I have undertaken in this article is to be expected. Those motivated by irrationalist hatred or romanticism always reject logic and rationalism.<BR/><BR/>The article mentions the antipathy to the Zulus by the ANC and the racist dynamic within the ANC. <BR/><BR/>The point of the article is to analyse what the ANC 'SAID' it fought for and the reality. The article also analyses what the Liberals in the UK 'SAID' the ANC fought for and how the BNP, UNLIKE THE ANC, are the only political movement that aspires to the IDEALS of what the liberals say the ANC stand for - and also the article reveals that the ANC never were a movement based on those ideals and that the liberals are hypocrites as they do not understand that the BNP should be the one paty that shold support in the UK, as it is th only one that aspires to the same ideals and aims as the ANC said it aspired too ( though in reality it didnt ).<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you need to re-read the article or realise that you are probably too thick to understand , and therefore should desist from comment.Defender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-34647973699084028162007-09-15T19:26:00.000-07:002007-09-15T19:26:00.000-07:00I think you will find that the only indigenous bla...I think you will find that the only indigenous blacks in South Africa are the Zulus. And they were proscribed from the ANC. In fact if you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inkatha_Freedom_Party<BR/><BR/>You may not wish to associate Nick with Nelson Mandela...SOD14https://www.blogger.com/profile/13482175622069702110noreply@blogger.com