tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post6213928270196201571..comments2023-11-05T00:38:56.097-07:00Comments on 21st Century British Nationalism: The Holocaust, Nuremberg Trials and Abu GhraibDefender of Libertyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-75636275021241711882009-01-26T06:42:00.000-08:002009-01-26T06:42:00.000-08:00Thanks, LeeI trust the information may be of some ...Thanks, Lee<BR/><BR/>I trust the information may be of some use.<BR/><BR/>The discussion has prompted a further and I think particularly pressing issue, which Anon alluded to earlier.<BR/><BR/>Holocaust denial* is evidently a crime in continental Europe, or at least in parts thereof.<BR/><BR/>*I for one don't deny the Holocaust, more accurately Inquisition but that is not the issue here.<BR/><BR/>This must prompt the question, who benefits?<BR/><BR/>On the face of it, I would guess the Jews - to start with.<BR/><BR/>But if suppression of Holocaust denial is perceived as an attack on free speech and even further as a denial of history, then I could see one possible result as a surge of Gentile resentment against European Jews and an eventual violent backlash - if the resentment is manipulated aright.<BR/><BR/>I believe it could be for the following reason.<BR/><BR/>What makes this situation a potential powder (or nitroglycerine) keg is the large influx of anti-Semitic aliens who have established about 750 no-go areas for 'infidels' in France. Their co-religionists recently went on the rampage in London, vandalising property and hurling insults and missiles at the London Police, who ran away.<BR/><BR/>What is to stop these groups assembling again in their thousands and going on a killing spree against 'infidels' in cities and towns all across Britain, wherever they can congregate in sufficient numbers?<BR/><BR/>They now know they're got the police cowered.<BR/><BR/>I think the world's been here before.<BR/><BR/>In other words, we face a 'back to the future' situation 70 years on - as it was in 1939.<BR/><BR/>Your Nuremberg article has prompted a very useful thrash around in comments. I suggest an article on the above would be a worthwhile follow up.<BR/><BR/>P.S. I appreciate that Muslims oppose free speech but that only applies for 'infidels.' They themselves exercise this 'right' to the point of abuse and beyond.alanoreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12013953165470026155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-57409797224610168892009-01-25T14:10:00.000-08:002009-01-25T14:10:00.000-08:00The best I can do for now is give you chapter and ...The best I can do for now is give you chapter and verse, so to speak, as follows, which you may be able to follow up at your local library. (Whatever web sources may/may not exist, what follows is the original source, i.e. the earliest one I have):<BR/><BR/><I>Purnell's History of the Second World War</I>, Volume 3, Issue No. 15, <I>Factory for Extermination</I>, by M and F, p 1313ff.<BR/><BR/>The series was published 1967-68. I don't say it was 100% exact but it was thorough. One of the editors was the late Captain Sir Basil Liddell-Hart, whom I think is still regarded as a leading WW2 historian. <BR/><BR/>One other interesting point. I don't here gainsay the atrocities Lee and others including yourself have mentioned w.r.t Nuremberg but I have read an account of US Army Chaplain Henry Gerecke, 1893-1961. As such, he dealt personally with Goering, Ribbentrop, Keitel, Frick, Sauckel, Rosenberg (all sentenced to death), Hess, Raeder, Funk (life imprisonment), Schirach, Speer, von Neurath, Doenitz (10+ years imprisonment), Fritzsche and Schacht (acquitted). None of these men were tortured. They were permitted to attend Christian worship services led by Chaplain Gerecke. Several, including Ribbentrop, made professions of Christian belief thanks to Gerecke's ministry - fully aware that such professions would not mitigate their eventual sentences.<BR/><BR/>A total of 21 members of Gerecke's 'congregation' signed a letter to Mrs Alma Gerecke asking that her husband be allowed to remain in Germany as their pastor until their sentences were passed. It was rumoured he was going to be rotated Stateside. About half the men who signed the letter were hanged but their future punishment had not influenced their petition, which was successful.<BR/><BR/>This is found in <I>War and Grace</I> by Don Stephen, ISBN 978-0-85234-594-8, p 253ff.<BR/><BR/>It appears from Lee's account and yours that different conditions must have existed in different gaols.<BR/><BR/>But again, I think due emphasis should be given to more detailed identification of these <I>tremendous forces.</I> You can't resist an enemy you don't know.<BR/><BR/>If these forces brought about the deaths of fifty+ millions in WW2, half a million from Britain and the Commonwealth alone, then they have had 60+ years of preparation to do a lot worse now - I don't think they have gone out of business in that time. Quite the reverse, I suggest.alanoreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12013953165470026155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-18075504487603667052009-01-25T12:42:00.000-08:002009-01-25T12:42:00.000-08:00Please do send me these blue prints with Gas cham...Please do send me these blue prints with Gas chamber clearly marked or at least a link to them, surely as such an important document they will be on the web somewhere?. The only "blue prints " i have seen show morgues adjacent to the crematoria clearly marked as "leichenkeller"and "Gaskeller" which is a reference to the gas chambers where Zyclon B was used to disinfect clothes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-31230233139160930502009-01-25T11:57:00.000-08:002009-01-25T11:57:00.000-08:00Re: First of all you dont rely on a book written b...Re: <I>First of all you dont rely on a book written by a man who works for the wartime ministry of propaganda in Britain and co-authored by a Jewish German exile.</I><BR/><BR/>I suggest this is the notorious ad hominem argument.<BR/><BR/>Re: <I>Now as to eye witnesses , well as the police will tell you they are the worst evidence to produce in court. You need proper forensic evidence.</I><BR/><BR/>Which again doesn't of itself invalidate the testimony and reports of Vbra, Manvell and Fraenkel. <BR/><BR/>Re: <I>Unfortunately Aloreie there are no gas chamber blueprints</I><BR/><BR/>I can well believe there aren't any in the public domain now.<BR/><BR/>Correction to my earlier post - the plans are for the basement and ground floor plans of Crematoria 1-4.<BR/><BR/>The figure was for 200 an hour (50 bodies per hour per crematorium), not 2000. See above. <BR/><BR/>The copy of the patented plans that I have seen indicates an execution room, which would not be part of a design for cremation of plague victims. Gas chambers are clearly marked as such.<BR/><BR/>'Safe' methods for removal of the dead are described by M and F. They don't involve anyone smoking merrily.<BR/><BR/>The quote I have from Hoess doesn't match his statements at Nuremberg, as found on the web. So it is clearly from another source.<BR/><BR/>There seems here to be a conflict of sources, which is probably not easy to resolve. <BR/><BR/>Getting back to Lee's post, though, any allegations of mistreatemnt of defendants e.g. to extract confessions by force, certainly should be investigated.<BR/><BR/>However, if some kind of cover-up exists, for whatever purpose, that to me augurs another WW2-style holocaust.<BR/><BR/>It would be as well, therefore, to identify the <I>tremendous forces</I> responsible.<BR/><BR/>I suggest a study of post-WW2 Vatican ratlines would be useful in that context.alanoreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12013953165470026155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-45890492624852561372009-01-25T10:48:00.000-08:002009-01-25T10:48:00.000-08:00I will answer Alonerei's points. First of all ...I will answer Alonerei's points. First of all you dont rely on a book written by a man who works for the wartime ministry of propaganda in Britain and co-authored by a Jewish German exile. Remember the original US propaganda claimed there were gas chambers in Belson and Dachau, and that victims were mass electrocuted. The Soviets also claimed that the Germans killed all the officers at Katyn , later admitted to be A Soviet crime.<BR/> Now as to eye witnesses , well as the police will tell you they are the worst evidence to produce in court. You need proper forensic evidence. Unfortunately Aloreie there are no gas chamber blueprints even though every two months the papers will suddenly announce they have found some; geez last novemeber Bild found them in a Berlin apartment!! a story faithfully replicated in UK newspapers > The said blueproints were actually old drawings showing "Gaskellers" which were for disinfecting clothes. Oh well never let the truth get in the way of a myth.<BR/> There are also no photographs of gas chambers unless you mean the photo from Dachau of a supposed gas chamber which is admitted even by yad vasheen never to have actually been a homicidal gas chamber! The one shown in Auschwitz is by Polish admission a "reconstruction".<BR/> The crematoria at auschwitz were built after the typhoid epidemic which killed about 10,000 inmates in 1942. The supposed gas chamber at Krema 2 was actually a morgue. The faithful claim 2000 were killed at a time in this " chamber" every hour....little problem there is a 6 foot lift as the only exit to the crematoria above.There would have been a little bottleneck surely for the sonderkommando who according to Hoess's "confession" merrily went in there taking the bodies out, smoking and laughing. Of course if they did that they would have found that the cyanide gas would have killed tham as well.Hoess 's confession written in English a language he didnt understand was extracted after three days of savage beatings and threats to send his wife and children to Russia.<BR/> Yes the truth is out there Alorei but there are tremendous forces preventing you from knowing it. It remains illegal in most of Europe to even question it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-73639311314863247112009-01-25T09:39:00.000-08:002009-01-25T09:39:00.000-08:00Re: gas chambers, Vbra was nevertheless a credible...Re: gas chambers, Vbra was nevertheless a credible witness. He was there when Auschwitz was functional. Reproduced blueprints of the gas chambers exist, along with photographs. The mass crematoria with gas chambers were established by J.A. Topf and Sons of Erfurt who filed a patent for their apparatus in Germany on October 26th 1942, entitled <I>Method and appliance for the incineration of corpses, cadavers and parts thereof'</I>. 3 basic types appear to have existed, the gas chambers being an intergral part of the incinerator design, along with undressing room, mortuary, engine room, storeroom, fuel storage and furnaces etc. The 4 original crematoria at Auschwitz could consume 200 bodies an hour. 2 of an improved design were added later. They were staffed by a total of 860 <I>Sonderkommando</I> prisoners from the camp, bribed by the SS guards to do the job. The SS shot and replaced them every four months. <BR/><BR/>Auschwitz commandant Rudolph Hoess described in vivid detail the death of a batch of victims by means of Cyclon B, yielding HCN, hydrogen cyanide. Hoess decided on this method because he thought the use of carbon monoxide (at Treblinka) was inefficient.<BR/><BR/>This is from a work by Roger Manvell and Heinrich Fraenkel. Manvell worked for the British Ministry of Information during the war and Fraenkel was a German academic whom the Nazis blacklisted when they came to power.<BR/><BR/>As for the missing documentation, any that has to do with the design, construction, operation and maintenance of mass crematoria will probably come to light when the EU 4th Reich bans dissident political parties after, I think, 2010.<BR/><BR/>I agree with the Lee, yourelf and others that this is the over-arching point and the one to focus on, while not forgetting the grim lessons of the past.alanoreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12013953165470026155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-77351173712406853002009-01-25T06:30:00.000-08:002009-01-25T06:30:00.000-08:00Lee:"and the only way we can stop them though is b...Lee:<BR/><BR/>"and the only way we can stop them though is by dealing with the people that created the problem - not by mistaking the symptoms of the problem FOR THE PROBLEM,"<BR/><BR/>ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM. It has been since 622 and the only people who "distort it" are people who refuse to acknowledge what Islam actually is. <BR/><BR/>It maybe being helped by traitors now but Islam hasn't spread because of "useful idiots" it has spread by the sword. It is not a religion of peace, it hasn't been since 622 and that is enshrined in the example of the Islamic prophet mohammed who personally waged war on the non-believer. He did so because he stated that Allah had commanded him to do so. <BR/><BR/>If you or anyone else thinks we can peacefully co-exist with Islam then you are in for the same shock as the Jews, the Christians and the Zoroastrians of the ME, the Orthodox Christians of the Balkans, the Christians of Turkey, the Hindus of India, the Buddhists of Thailand and Christ knows how many blacks in Africa over the years, all of these people have been slaughtered in their millions by Islamic jihadists.<BR/><BR/>And let's not forget that the forces of Islam have tried to conquer Europe twice - the jihad against us isn't new nor is it happening because of "the system". The system isn't helping, sure, but whether it did or not, jihad would still be being waged against us.<BR/><BR/>Jihadists are now in our midst and they are waging war on us right now. Whilst Islam exists peace won't until the whole world belongs to Allah. That is Islam.<BR/><BR/>Those infidels - those who muslims regard as the lowest of the low, the equivalent of piss and shit as they are "najis" - who state otherwise are as guilty as the same appeasers of WWII who thought by playing nice with the nazis then we'd avoid war. <BR/><BR/>It's this hubris of westerners who are so removed from reality it beggars belief that they just cannot accept the existence of a force that absolutely despises them and wants to annihlate them. They think everyone shares their love of peace and life so they blame the rich and powerful westerners rather than face the harsh truth that a fanatical enemy that wants to conquer them to serve their deity is now on their doorstep.<BR/><BR/>"Yes it's not those nice muslims they're being used by the system, and if we break the system we can live in peace with muslims."<BR/><BR/>It won't work. Nor will it work for those who try and make allies of jihadists. Study Islam, study its history but most of all study what its so-called prophet did. That's they key because what he did is the example for all muslims to follow. It is an example being followed all over the world.<BR/><BR/>We ignore it at our peril.<BR/><BR/>Chris.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-5861552124809127322009-01-25T05:53:00.000-08:002009-01-25T05:53:00.000-08:00It is interesting to note that one of the reasons ...It is interesting to note that one of the reasons for the quickness and resoluteness of the Nuremburg Trials and the cover-up was the confusion and fear that the Allies had in trying to understand how a modern, civilised, technological and democratic state as Germany in the 1930s could have created and supported a regimke based on the broad precepts of the 'occult'. <BR/><BR/>Hitler, though certainly no 'Black Magician' or occultist, presided over what can only be called an 'Occult State', using the imagery and techniques and sumbolism of the arcance, the occult and pagan revivalism to effect a state built and suporte don entirely different principles to the secular democracies of the West.<BR/><BR/>The Allies at Nuremburg feared this revelation and had to paint the Nazis as being 'merely' brutish and evil individuals serving an evil totalitarian regime, whereas they could not effectively let the public know what the reality was underpinning this regime and all the terrible deeds that it had done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-31803999535002523922009-01-25T05:48:00.000-08:002009-01-25T05:48:00.000-08:00It is interesting to note that just prior to the e...It is interesting to note that just prior to the end of WW2 and immediately after it both America and Britain made great efforts to remove the best brains and technologies from Germany, partyly to stop the Russians from gaining and secondly to boost their own power and technological impetus.<BR/><BR/>Operation Paperclip was just one such scheme to smuggle out rocket, jet plane and atomic scientists from a defeated Germany and to remove the advanced technologies that German scientists ha been developing, including the V1 and V2.<BR/><BR/>But of course, they were not convicetd or prosecuted and great efforts were made to protect these men who it could be claimed contributed to the German war machine and even to war crimes.<BR/><BR/>But the victorious allies have whitewashed such things from history as history is always written by the victors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-81878567030473035532009-01-25T05:43:00.000-08:002009-01-25T05:43:00.000-08:00"and the only way we can stop them though is by de..."and the only way we can stop them though is by dealing with the people that created the problem - not by mistaking the symptoms of the problem FOR THE PROBLEM,"<BR/><BR/>Excellent point Lee.<BR/><BR/>People need to start thinking beyond the immediate issues facing us - and not merely seeing the symptoms as the only problem.<BR/><BR/>The System is the problema dn mass immigration, globalisation and militant Islam are just the tip of the huge iceberg.<BR/><BR/>Islam has been overrated as the scoyrge of the world. Islam is like evolution or a plage of locusts or cicadi or a virus - it sleeps for a long time then something awakens it. The world can share this planet with Islam but its more militant and aggressive phase needs checking and destroying, but it is not Islam per se that is the real problem. It is one of many heads on the Hydra monster. Instead of cutting off just one or two heads we need to kill the beast itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-52022635496233100962009-01-25T03:35:00.000-08:002009-01-25T03:35:00.000-08:00Alanorei really just reinforces my point. If milli...Alanorei really just reinforces my point. If millions of Jews were gassed the evidence shoudnt be a few eye witnesses, after all we could officially believe in Martians as I am sure there would be quite a few people who would have sworn they had seen them especially if there was financial advantage.<BR/> We look at forensic evidence of which there should be a massive paper trail at least of plans etc in the 10 tons of documents lieing in places like Arolson and the archives in Moscow.<BR/> The fact that it is illegal in most of Europe to discuss such matters and your blog would lead to a jail sentence in Germany, France etc should give you the answer as to whether there were any Nazi homicidal gas chambers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-69045803465748425772009-01-25T01:59:00.000-08:002009-01-25T01:59:00.000-08:00WW2 is an issue as the elite that sent us to war t...WW2 is an issue as the elite that sent us to war then , still send us to war now.<BR/><BR/>Not until the same elite that sent us to war in WW1 and WW2 are out of power can we ensure that we will never be used again to destroy another European nation in the name of profit.<BR/><BR/>The scum that run this country would rather we went to war against other white nations or that we wage pathetic wars in the middle east than we become a nationalist nation - they would destroy this nation before letting us get a chance to save it.<BR/><BR/>Therefore they have to be revealed for what they are - hypocritical, lieing,murdering scum.Defender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-33585545579713685082009-01-25T01:55:00.000-08:002009-01-25T01:55:00.000-08:00Hi Chris,As I have stated to you many times my fri...Hi Chris,<BR/><BR/>As I have stated to you many times my friend, Islam is not the problem - the problem is the inner traitors that surrender our countries to them.<BR/><BR/>The Islamists are the problem - along with the Liberals that open our borders to them, the capitalists that surrender our national economies to the middle east oil producers, the zionists that support mass immigration into the UK as it dilutes nationalism, the communists that see Islam as a way to create social unrest that benefits them, the multi-culturalists, the politically correct scum etc etc<BR/><BR/>Islam is a belief system - those that embrace a distorted version of that belief system are the problem - and they are OUR problem as the arseholes that have run this country for the last one hundred years let the bastards into our country.<BR/><BR/>I am well aware of the dangers of Islamism, mass immigration and liberal surrender and Dhimmitude - and the only way we can stop them though is by dealing with the people that created the problem - not by mistaking the symptoms of the problem FOR THE PROBLEM,<BR/><BR/>all the best,<BR/><BR/>LeeDefender of Libertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093052197059748663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-6918245795314392822009-01-24T12:53:00.000-08:002009-01-24T12:53:00.000-08:00Hi LeeWhilst I appreciate your noble sentiments an...Hi Lee<BR/><BR/>Whilst I appreciate your noble sentiments and your perfectly logical argument, I have to say that I can't agree with you.<BR/><BR/>For what the nazis did I have no sympathy whatsoever for them or their disgusting and inhumane ideology. They were fanatical, supremacist scum. Let me remind those of you who sympathise with nazis: <BR/><BR/>They are a product of the left, they were socilaists. They treated human beings like shit. Just as the followers of the paedophile prophet do. And "Allah's apostles" will treat YOU and YOURS like shit. They BEHEAD buddhists and children FFS! These fanatics make the dispicable nazis look like amateurs. <BR/><BR/>As for "Civilised society", please don't be so naive, when it comes to war and power, there is nothing civilised about it. You fight, you fight to win and you fight dirty if needs be. As paedo mo said: "war is deceit."<BR/><BR/>Those who start wars and commit vile atrocities don't dictate how they end. "To the victor the spoils". The nazis were abhorrent, not just for their raging jew- hatred but for what they did to many other peoples. Children were not spared either. Give a fuck about these beasts getting battered and tortured? Gimme a break, please, they asked for it they got it. Fuck 'em. They lost and the allies prevailed and most of the nazi scumbags are dead now so why give a toss?<BR/><BR/>We are now facing an enemy that hates you and will destroy you doing whatever they can without giving a toss about your human rights, a civilised society or the abstract term "justice". <BR/><BR/>Those who can't stomach the fight and want to play by "Marquis of Queensbury old chap" I suggest you're in the wrong business and you need to get out of the way. When it comes to Islam, the faint-hearted, moral-crusaders handicap more than they help. We're being attacked in OUR OWN LAND in case you hadn't noticed by the very jihadists the Messiah Obama is kissing up to by closing Gitmo.<BR/><BR/>And we're discussing WWII?<BR/><BR/>As my very good Dutch friend states: "Why are the British still banging on about WWII - it's over move on!"<BR/><BR/>We now face Islamic jihad and it would be better, if, instead of banging on about how bad the allies were in WWII, we all used the freedom those allies won at high price to attack and highlight the disgusting inhumane crimes being committed by our mortal Islamic enemy. RIGHT NOW.<BR/><BR/>There is an abundance of material I guarantee it. <BR/><BR/>"All's fair in love and war". We had better realise this or we are doomed. You don't survive by being playing nice that's for sure.<BR/><BR/>Jihad is here NOW. WAKE THE FUCK UP TO IT. PLEASE.<BR/><BR/>It's us or them, end of. <BR/><BR/>Chris.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-28042391197763121382009-01-24T12:45:00.000-08:002009-01-24T12:45:00.000-08:00Certainly David Irving and others have denied the ...Certainly David Irving and others have denied the existence of the gas chambers. Czech national Rudolph Vbra believed they existed at Auschwitz. He escaped from there in April 1944.alanoreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12013953165470026155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-75551100741279971322009-01-24T11:06:00.000-08:002009-01-24T11:06:00.000-08:00Yep thousands of Jews, Gypsies etc were rounded up...Yep thousands of Jews, Gypsies etc were rounded up and sent to concentration camps in WW2. Towards the end with complete breakdown many thousands tragically died due to typhus and other diseases at the same time as 20-30,000 german civilians were being killed in allied air raids every night.<BR/> However I doubt there were any homicidal gas chambers; At Nuremburg it was claimed that they were at Belson and Dachau which is now even by Yad Vasheen said to be false. Now we are supposed to believe they were all at Auschwitz despite the fact there is zilch in the way of forensic evidence to support the gassing of hundreds of thousands of people there. Yep zilch.<BR/> Oh yes and at Treblinka 700 thousand were supposedly gassed then buried, then dug up and burned . There is absolutely no forensic evidence for this. Ground radar studies have shown no disturbance in the soil to suggest there ever having been huge mass graves there at all.<BR/><BR/> Looks like this Catholic Bishop knows the truth...and is in a lot of trouble<BR/><BR/> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHhdBzPH_zMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-72618314334956352232009-01-24T09:20:00.000-08:002009-01-24T09:20:00.000-08:00The strange thing about Oswald Pohl was that he wa...The strange thing about Oswald Pohl was that he was sentenced to death for a string of atrocities, including the proposal for the use of gas chambers in the extermination camps but his execution was delayed for 4 years.<BR/><BR/>He appears to have had help in high places for a time. It seems that various sinister forces were at work in the trials. I suspect they still are.alanoreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12013953165470026155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5680771968888528726.post-73669926624931341132009-01-24T07:36:00.000-08:002009-01-24T07:36:00.000-08:00Of course the Nuremberg trials were a kangaroo cou...Of course the Nuremberg trials were a kangaroo court as many highly qualified people said at the time. They were a US psych operation designed to prevent the rise of another strong Germany which would threaten again the dominant powers.Those powers were not meek as lambs, you dont become number one nation by being nice! and crushing testicles is paar for the course. Thousands of Germans were hanged mostly on the hearsay of former captives who had an axe to grind.Though if it was a choice of being a civilian under German occupation in France or being a German under Red army occupation in Germany ,I would have chosen the former.<BR/> Unfortunately cruelty is a part of man's psyche and whether the guards are at Abu Ghraib or Nuremberg the temptation is to enjoy being cruel.<BR/> All the former German concentration camp commanders as well as many of the guards both female and male were hanged on the flimsiest of evidence because those in power ie the Soviet and US masters required it. If you look at the Belson trial evidence , most of it is eyewitness and based on affidavits mostly written by US psych ops. However I shouldnt be surprised that most people are gullible ! After all even intelligent people go along to the church down the road and believe in David and Goliath and Noah's ark. The BBC and the Daily Telegraph carried yesterday the story of how Dr Mengele carried on with his studies on IVF and twins in the 1950s in South America!!! <BR/> Well if that story has any truth then I am the Pope! Still the dutiful Daily Telegraph readers will no doubt believe it as a sort of curtain raiser for "holocaust memorial day". Await further stories from holocaust survivors in the "advent" season as we come up to the great feast day of the "Frankfurt school "religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com