This is not the first time such huge objects have been seen - on April 23rd 2007 two British pilots in seperate planes saw, and radar confirmed, two objects in the Bristol Channel nearly a mile wide.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/2-massive-ufos-spotted-by-uk-pilots-april-23-2007/2232300616
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case1148.htm
In the Stephenville case we also have ;
1) Multiple witnesses
2) more than one radar confirmations of the presence of the object
3) Military jets scrambled to intercept the object
4) The US air force first denies it had planes in the air trying to 'escort' the object out of the area adjacent to George Bushs ranch, then retracts the story when the radar reports are released - the usual classic cover up cock up.
Yet of course the people who saw them were idiots, the radar drunk and the jets were chasing swamp gas.
If the US has planes that can fly over 3000 miles an hour and are nearly a mile wide then one wonders what they intend to do with those planes - thats one hell of a lot of bombs to drop !
http://www.mufon.com/
http://www.mufon.com/symposia.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6o9_DHz9Mk
http://wonkette.com/348196/us-military-escorting-alien-ufos-over-texas
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gBhjmf2JSuA
http://wonkette.com/401180/giant-ufo-attacks-george-w-bushs-texas-ranch
Air Force logs and government radar reports released under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that a massive aircraft barreled through the skies of Central Texas on January 8 — and it was headed for George W. Bush’s Crawford ranch at 2,100 miles per hour!
The National Weather Service and Federal Aviation Administration released radar reports from around the Waco/Dallas/Ft. Worth areas where people reported seeing a mile-wide brightly lit aircraft that could hover silently, vanish “as if someone turned off a light switch,” and zoom across the sky while jet fighters tried and failed to keep up.
This is why the U.S. Air Force released an “explanation” of the eerie mass sighting in Texas, two weeks after denying there were even military jets flying in or around Texas that fateful night.
Maj. Karl Lewis, a spokesman for the 301st Fighter Wing at the Naval Air Station Fort Worth Joint Reserve Base, said in a news release that an “error was made regarding the reported training activity of military aircraft” and that “10 F-16s from the 457th Fighter Squadron were performing training operations in the Brownwood Military Operating Area.”
Lewis had previously said there were no F-16s or other aircraft from the base in the area the night many of the sightings were reported.
Carswell Air Force Base logs were heavily redacted, MUFON reports, but showed three groups of jets from the 457th Fighter Squadron were in the air that night and that several veered off to the Stephenville area for unknown reasons. Also, an AWACS surveillance plane flew in a wide circle over the area for several hours that night, “as if it were on a search or monitoring mission.”
Radar returns show the mystery object flying as slowly as 49 mph, sitting stationary in the sky, and accelerating at up to 2,100 mph. The radar data seems to support the 17 eyewitness reports of the thing collected by the investigators.
The object was traveling to the southeast on a direct course towards the Crawford ranch, also known as President Bush’s western White House. The last time the object was seen on radar at 8 p.m., it was continuing on a direct path to the Crawford Ranch and was only 10 miles away.
During this entire episode of over an hour, there is no indication that any of the military jets reacted to this unknown aircraft, that was without a required transponder, and that was headed directly to the Western White House.
1st rule of serious ufology:
ReplyDelete"UFOS exist. It's the air force that doesn't exist."
Also, seriously, Lee, any chance of you starting a separate linked UFOWatch blog to pull all these reports together?
One reason is that in recent years, distinguished UFO researchers in this country, e.g. Jenny Randles, Andy Roberts etc., though doing a lot of good work, seem to me to be trying to gain respectability with the scientific community by re-inventing ufology as an earth-science (geo-physics) and/or a behavioural science (i.e. a form of psychiatry). I believe that this approach is missing key elements of the subject.
e.g. photos of distinct anomalous aircraft, e.g. McMinneville, Oregan, USA, 1950, have defied all attempts to 'rationally' explain them for 50 years or more, advance in photographic analysis notwithstanding.
As indicated, these things are a potential threat to national security, have resulted, according to extant reports, in acts of criminal violence against ordinary individuals and may even involve a form of treason on the part of national governments, including our own.
Great idea.
ReplyDeleteI will set a blog up and link it to the bottom of this site,
all the best,
Lee
Thanks, Lee, look forward to it.
ReplyDeleteWe are potentially dealing with something here that ranks in importance with all else that is collectively destroying Britain right now.
The best to you as well
Alan
Thanks, Lee, look forward to it
ReplyDeleteThis subject potentially ranks in importance with all else that is destroying Britain right now.
The best to you as well.
Alan
Alanorei,
ReplyDeleteThat is a good idea and this will help to detach to some extent the UFO-related articles and comments that appear on Lee's blog from the more overtly political analysis and social commentaries.
It seems a shame that some brainless arrogant idiots on both the Left and Right dismiss the subject (without ever having studied it in the first place, considering themselves to be "rational" beings ie bordering on the ultra-Cartesian and hence above all phenomenon that they cannot explain). This will help in defusing to some extent the barrage of ignorant ramblings by the massed ranks of the Bloody-Minded and Ignoranti.
However, I would suggest that Lee continues to make references to this subject and link them to more in-depth stuff on 'UFO Watch'.
Your comments about the leading lights of 'ufology', like Randles and Roberts, is to some extent unwarranted as for years the subject has been the playground of assorted nuts and cranks (a bit like the far-Right really) who use it to wank off on their obsessions about extraterrestrials and flying saucers, whilst their investigations into reports of UFOs have been a bloody joke.
Randles et al have tried to make it a more scientific subject and hence amenable to scientific research. Without this the subject of 'ufology' (it's not even a bloody science though its proponents call it an 'ology' when it plainly isn't)would be forever on the finges.
Through such hard work by the likes of Randles scientists have slowly come to investigate reports of UFOs.
This includes the work of meterorologists like Dr Meaden who has used the reports of lights and crop circles to advance his theories on vortices and energised air that can be seen as spinning lights and can create physical effects, and whose EM energy fields may stop cars and alter the consciousness of witnesses.
Again, earthlights have attracted scientific attention and experiments have shown that UFO-like objects can be created by pressure within the earth (the piezoelectric effect) and may even cause changes in human consciousness (where possibly pre-existing beliefs and mental imagery may then be stimulated to cause hallucinations).
But Alanorei is absolutely correct in stating that such an approach can and does miss out KEY ELEMENTS of the subject.
The subject is essentially a mishmash of phenomenon and covers many disciplinaries. By concentrating on one approach,such as the extraterresrial approach or the psychosocial approach or natural earth sciences approach, one throws the baby out of the bathwater on each occasion.
If you study the works of pioneers as John Keel and Jacques Vallee you will see that only a mult-disciplinary approach can begin to solve the enigma.
And by appling the studies of folklore and occultism can one begin to see the many parallels between paranormal phenomena and faery encounters etc and the modern reports of 'flying saucers' and 'extraterrestrials' (ETH)'.
You cannot throw away the ETH and the psychological dimensions and expect to solve the enigma.
The key lies within the human colletive unconsciousness and the Jungian imagery present.Though that is not the whole story as the other key is the existence of a hidden non-human intelligence that exists within those realms.
For all we know the Military and Government authorities may be using secret vehicles and psy-ops on the public to test secret and advanced flying vehicles and to cover-up advanced equipment. That is not the same as pursuing the existence of hidden intelligences whose domain occur within the Jungian depths of the human consciousness.
We must try and be clear about what we mean and the many facets of the whole Phenomenon.
Thanks, Mr Potter
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with a lot of your comments and certainly support the multi-disciplinary approach that you describe.
Certainly historical accounts and reported paranormal effects and even so-called cryptozoology should all be taken into account as necessary.
I've obtained a number of Jenny Randles's books, it was one of hers that got me started on the subject again in about 1986, after many years' lapse.
My concern was that she and Andy Roberts and others, all very professional researchers into the phenomenon, were at risk of confining themselves to established scientific disciplines in seeking to rationialise the subject.
I agree, of course, they did so for sound reasons, i.e. in part to head off the lunatic fringe who would destroy all credibility for reasoned research.
It is essential to resolve such aspects as turn out to be earth-science or mind-science effects or other natural and/or human phenomena. Such resolution may account for 95%+ reports.
That still leaves probably 100s of instances that remain unexplained.
I therefore fully support your final sentence. We must find out what is going on and why, and what that means for both the individual and the nation - especially when ordinary individuals report suffering harm or intimidation from this phenomena and no alternative explanation seems feasible.
Let us take stock and pray to God that if the UFO observed heading towards President Bush's ranch was an extraterrestrial space craft, that it was not being piloted by a race of beings who worship an extreme and bigotted form of Allah.
ReplyDeleteWho knows, it may have been a suicidal spacecraft with Muslim aliens heading straight for George Bush's ranch to take him out.
So where the **** were the ready-release interceptor jets whose purpose is to protect the President of the United States of America and US security?
Must have been Neo-Con supporting aliens I suppose...
Reference the Guernsey UFo seen by the pilot flying from Southampnton -
ReplyDelete"‘It was a very sharp, thin yellow object with a green area. It was 2,000ft up and stationary,’ he said.
‘I thought it was about 10 miles away, although I later realised it was approximately 40 miles from us. At first, I thought it was the size of a 737.’ "
I am not making any fast assumptions here but few professional observers (including the police and pilots) are fuly converant with ALL natural and man-made phenomena that may being misinterpreted as 'UFO'.
We do not as yet know what this pilot observed and it simply remains a UFO ie an Unidentified Flying Object. That is, it could be anything.
We must wait both official investigations and any investigations by civilian UFo investigations groups (let's hope that they have a professional and fact-based approach).
My initial suggestion is that the object could possibly be a high-altitude cloud or vapour trail that has caught the sun's rays at a certain angle.
I have first-hand experience of this possibility as I investigated a mass sighting of a 'banana-shaped object' looking like a comet or cigra-shape. There were even photographs of the object.
Investigations showed that it was a high-altitude jet vapiur trail that just caught the rays of a setting sun. It was most spectacular.
Note that the polot saw the object to the west, and since the sun was setting it is feasible that the sun's rays illuminated such a vapour trail.
This is only a tentative hypothesis and I hope that any group or official body investigating this sighting loks into this as a possibility.
Thanks for the links to MUFON (Mutual UFO Network)Lee.
ReplyDeleteTheir work into the case is thorough and scientific.
The only concern I have is regarding the radar returns and wther the radar operating clearly identified a rapid acceleration of the object, or whether it was due to the technical make-up of the equipment or anomalous returns.
If this issue can be satisfactorily resolved (an advertising or military blimp would seem a good candidate for the UFO) then I would have little hestitation in decsribing the Stephenville Incident as a clear "Unidentified".
That, of course, does not mean an extraterrestrial space craft - but one would then have to seriously consider several options as this.
If the case remains as "Unidentified" one could posit a hypothesis that the event was an intelligently structured object.
Again, that could mean a manmade terrestrial device, an extraterrestrial craft or a non-human phenomenon.
The latter could possibly represent an aerial display of some sort of a holographic phenomenon that has temporarily materialised in our physical universe, exteriorised through the manipulation of our universal reality via 'alien' intelligences within the colective human consciousness. Such events can be photographed, create radar returns and leave physical traces but, like ghosts, they are ephemeral and unreal.
Such phenomenon may be showing us events that are occurring at the Jungian level of consciousness and if we can interpret them properly may be showing us shows of the collective efars and anxeities, neuroses and even future events that are happening on this planet today.
The Muslim 9/11 events and fears of war over Iran and the global economic downturn are all prescient events that are affecting the American national psyche.
" That still leaves probably 100s of instances that remain unexplained.
ReplyDeleteI therefore fully support your final sentence. We must find out what is going on and why, and what that means for both the individual and the nation - especially when ordinary individuals report suffering harm or intimidation from this phenomena and no alternative explanation seems feasible.
17 July 2008 14:07"
Thanks Alanorei,It is good that we seem to agree on the fundamentals of this subject.
The Phenomenon (and I use a capital 'P' to define it, that is the unknown segment of UFO reports, from the overall 95% of identified material) is intelligent and connected with humanity in some way.
Therefore to understand the Phenomenon may help us to understand humanity and its future.
People may say what has the subject of 'ufology' got to do with politics, well maybe there is more to it than meets the eye. We must though get away from the oft-repeated theory that UFOs represent an extraterrestrial intelligence as no evidence has so far come to light to indicate this.
I would suggest that the ay to solve botn the UFO enigma and to help us propel humanity fowrad is to look deep within our collective psyches and investigate the imagery within it.
The intelligences that inhabit this collective inner world may be the key, the instruments through which our collective fates are turned into images that reflect our fears and anxeities, as well as our hopes and dreams.
Within this arena are both "negative" and "positive" forces that can manifets as "hostile UFOs" and even the Men in Black (MIB).
What occurs on earth is sometimes a reflection of waht occurs within the cosmos.
Thanks, Mr Potter, most interesting comments
ReplyDeleteCertainly it is reasonable to explore the psychic aspect of the Phenomena because, at the very least, this approach could eliminate some hitherto unexplained incidents.
Re: the ETH, I'm not an enthusiastic supporter, but simply await disclosure of any observations/results that either disprove it entirely or at least demonstrate the possibility.
To make further progress, it would certainly help to log all the characteristics of these UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), e.g. one of the potentially most significant being the evidently well-documented association of UFOs and water.
For example, an officer on board Christopher Columbus's ship Santa Maria entered a UFO sighting into the ship's log for October 13th 1492; a bright unidentified light moving parallel with the ship but rapidly undulating. The ship just happened to be drifting into the area now known as The Bermuda Triangle.
With the advent of the web, this task could initially be like trying to get a drink from a fire hose, but it is important.
We are probably addressing Phenomena, plural. It remains to be determined unequivocally what aspects of it are potentially dangerous to ourselves, our communities and our nation.
Alanorei,
ReplyDeleteVery interesting and perceptive comments - thanks for those.
You make good points regarding inevstigating the more psycgic components of some of the UFO reports - an element ignored by those who uncritically accept the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH), or even the hypothesis that UFOs are secret man-made technology.
The problem - as you rightly point out Alan - is that we are dealing with a plethora of UFO REPORTS which can cover a diverse of stimuli, some of them discernibly identified and others that represent something truly unknown. Again, how many of the Identified ones pertain to unknown or rare natural phenomena, or new manmade technology?
Agaim, it is discerning of you to use the term UAPS (Unknown Atmospheric Phenomenon) to describe those UFO reports that seem to represent an unknown natural atmopsheric phenomena (ball lightning? earth lights?)
Certainly, if some UAPs are earthlight-derved manifestations then the connection with large bodies of water eg reservoirs, lakes is intersting since these bodies of water create stres sthrough their mass and any tectnic weakness can be influenced by such a large body ofw ater over stress-lines within the earth eg Rossendale in Lancashire.
If the Phenomena is dangerous to us and our communities and nation then I would tentatively suggest that a part of the Phenomenon may represent the manifestations of intelligent spiritual forces that wish to enslave humanity, and hence use those intelligences that exist within the collective unconsciousness of humanity, a sort of "angelic" automaton if you like. We rarely see the spiritual intelligences here, only the manifestations of their intelligent entities occuring within the collective unconsciousness. We might like to refer to it as a "war", a sort of cosmic conflict at a level beyoind humanity's understanding, only that the "combatants" do not wesar uniforms or can also delceive us by appearing as a a member of the opposing "faction"!Things may not be entirely black and white as far as mankind's understanding is concerned.
I would further propose that these conflicting spiritual hierarchies are at conflict over mankind, hence a political or spiritual entity or ideology may be the target of one "faction" or the other.
Hence nationalist parties - espousing freedom and separation of races and ethnic groups and desiring individual freedom over colective and One World domaintion - may become the target of "assault" by a spiritual faction that wishes to disempower mankind.
The fact is too that individuals and leaders of such parties also may come under attack and become corrupted, at least on a subconscious level, and do things which they may not have otherwise done.
Such vehicles may therefore become corrupted and destroyed, or "taken over", by forecs inimical to their agendas both directly and indirectly.
I shall leave it to you to assess the state of play on the British political scene as to what is going on and why, using this scenario as a template.
Thanks again, Mr Potter
ReplyDeleteRe: nationalist parties/individuals as potential targets, I agree.
As you rightly conclude, 'the state of play' bears watching.