http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2010/01/britain-nation-of-immigrants-bollocks.html
The facts are available for anyone to check, but you will see that they are irrefutable.
I have proved that it is the ancestors of the modern day English and Irish who were the people who discovered and invented agriculture, and not the people of the modern day Middle East.
The Cro-Mgnons are the progenitors of the original R1B Halotype.
All modern Europeans derive from the Cro-Magnons people.
From the R1B Halotype evolved the R1b1b2 Halotype, which was the Halotype of the people who invented agriculture in the Middle East.
During the last glaciation period the Cro-Magnons of R1b Halotype left Northern Europe where they settled in the Middle East.
Whilst they were there they invented agriculture and the R1B Halotype evolved to become the R1b1b2 Halotype, an offshoot of the R1B Halotype.
Then once the glaciation period ended and the ice retreated the R1b1b2 people returned to Northern Europe and settled in Ireland and England.
The modern day descendants of the R1b1b2 group are the modern English and Irish.
The present day people of the Middle East have only minimal amounts of R1b1b2 DNA.
THEREFORE THE ANCESTORS OF THE MODERN IRISH AND THE ENGLISH INVENTED AGRICULTURE, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO INHABIT THE MIDDLE EAST TODAY.
This DNA analysis means the entire history of agriculture has to be re-written.
If anyone has anything to add, or wishes to critique the theory, please leave your comments on the blog.
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Meanwhile:
At Copenhagen we had the irony not just of Climategate Two, but also the onset of one of the harshest winters in decades.
Since then we have seen the debunking of the Potsdam sea level scare. The Goddard Institute has been caught fiddling the temperature records. The vanishing Himalayan Glaciers have been exposed as a fantasy. Mr. Pachauri
has emerged as a Climate Change profiteer.
The world is cooling. Global warming is a fraud.
This is not a victimless crime. Carbon taxes push up fuel prices, killing our old folk as we speak. The Billions wasted researching this non-existent problem are Billions that cannot be spent defeating real scourges such as
Alzheimers, or ending real environmental disasters such as deforestation.
Carbon credit trading makes billions for City sharks at the expense of families in poverty. The loss of agricultural land to bio-fuels has already doubled food prices, so millions starve while greedy corporations make even
fatter profits.
Those pushing the unscientific nonsense of man made climate change - Shell, Monsanto, the international banks, Bilderberg One Worlders, carbon billionaires and their useful idiot allies on the Left - are running the biggest fraud in human history. They must and will be called to account, as should their collaborators in places such as this.
Nick Griffin, BNP, MEP, Strasbourg January 20th 2010
That solves that one then.
We invented farming and agriculture. No-one ever killed or reared an animal, no-one ever grew a plant in quantity and no-one ever played football and cricket, not before us Brits anyway.
Get the immigrants out, they are stealing are farming methods!
@ George
Is that the best you can do? Your rant is simply a projection of your own messed up mind and has nothing to do with the issue Lee is raising. In this regard you are like all other lefty lunatics in that you rant from a purely emotional basis and can offer no substantive intellectual argument. Society is fucked because people like you have sucked cock in order to get to the top, and now all we have are degenerate freaks in charge. Your feeble mind might be good enough to get you somewhere within the sick power structure, but when you are with the big boys you just look like a pathetic cunt. Now fuck off before I tear you a new one.
Lee, there's a lot of technical information in your article that is very interesting. I think you should keep this article alive as it is very important, I hope to be able to make some time these next few days to fully study the points you have raised. Very exciting stuff.
Btw, did you ever do any more research on your AIDS theory?
Those pushing the unscientific nonsense of man made climate change - Shell, Monsanto, the international banks, Bilderberg One Worlders, carbon billionaires and their useful idiot allies on the Left - are running the biggest fraud in human history. They must and will be called to account, as should their collaborators in places such as this.
The fact you despise corporate capitalism and the propaganda peddled by press releases and media conglomerates, suggests you might, in fact, be to the left of me!
The left have been saying that for years. Glad you decided to join us!
The fact, Andraste, that you believe there is a lot of technical information in this article, suggests your level of brain cells has never reached plural (that's more than one, thought you might need an explanation)
It is a copy and paste job, replacing the species involved for the early Africans natives (our forefathers) and inserting British and Irish. Good try though.
I would give you a reading list but "I hope to be able to make some time these next few days to fully study the points you have raised. Very exciting stuff."
as this quote suggests, you struggle with anything too challenging. Like reading.
@ George
I fucking cracked up, you are hilarious. You demented self-loathers are all the same; what is so amusing is how you all think you are individuals, every time I have the misfortune to encounter your degenerate type it reaffirms what I already knew - and I am past being concerned for your mental inadequacy, instead I laugh.
Anyway, key to your mentally deranged mentally (and all your type) is the whole "Out of Africa" theory. You people hinge everything on that theory, which by the way is disputed but you won't of course hear about that because the establishment and main stream media are as fucked up as you and so like to cling to their ideological life-rafts.
I can't be bothered to write any more, I have more important things to do, like enjoying the release of this turd I have been baking for an hour. Just to finish by saying you are a brainwashed, self-loathing, leftist panty-waste. Now go and experience some multi-cultural heaven and take a walk through Peckham on Saturday night. Good night and fuck you.
Andraste, why do you go off on one and show yourself up to be an even bigger idiot than the Leftists whom you (rightly) so despise. Patriots like you are unfortunately something of a disgrace as you show up the movement to be asinine, immature, emotionally retarded and pathetic.
Just because you have 'discovered' nationalism you seem to have thought yourself on a different plane of awareness all together, and verbally abuse others whose thinking is different or has a different opinion on a subject to you. Alternatively, you prostrate yourself on the altar of those nationalists you admire and accept uncritically whatever theory or proposal that they are promoting.
This is not science.
This is nor rationality.
This is pure blindness and inane thinking.
Yes, established thinking, both on a scientific and political loevel, is rigged and sometimes wrong, but that doesn't eman that we should discard all of it just because we paint ourselves as 'revolutionaries' or something akin to that.
Do the science and lookn at the issue with clear logic, free from prejudice and irrational thinking Andrastre - and try counting up to ten before putting some of your asinine and immature thought son paper (or rather the screen).
It is unfortunate that patriots like yourself give both writers like Lee Barnes and the whole nationalist movement a bad reputation with your wild emotional assertions, knee-jerk reactions and unscientific and blinkered thinking.
I am currently reading 'The History of the White Race By Arthur Kemp...its very informative and indeed breath taking...what your say is put into greater context
First Part
This is a complete reversal of the widely-held idea that agriculture was brought into Europe by population movements moving northwest from the southeast, a form of diffusion.
Some of the biggest discoveries have been made by people who have thought out of the box and indulged in challenging orthodox thinking and looked at the problem from the opposite angle.
Unfortunately, this is not one of them I am sad to say (although the author has come up with paradigm-busting ideas in the past). Some archaeologists and writers have already done key work in changing some of these fundamental assumptions that European civilisation was brought in from outside, yet we are now beginning to realise that some at least of our civilisation was indigenous and in some cases in parallel with some of the major advances that were occurring elsewhere, such as the Middle East.
Lee's hypothesis suffers from the start from a major misconception, one which occurs when non-experts try to tackle the complexities of major areas of science. The tendency is to simplify matters and to jump from one misconception to another, based on a misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of the science involved.
Lee suggests that because R1b1b2 haplogroup is less frequent in the Middle East (where it is understood by genetic geneologists to have originated), and more frequent in NW Europe (particularly England and Ireland), that this type had to originate in Europe.
He then goes on to suggest that since this haplogroup and its frequency distribution across Europe matches that of the spread of agriculture from the Neolithic period onwards, that this is due to the movement of technologically advanced peoples from the Middle East who were returning to their NW European homelands after a sojourn in the Middle East region during the onset of glaciation.
However, he fails to recognise the fact that haplogroups are evolving constantly and that within peoples of the Middle East region these haplogroups will have evolved, as will the haplogroup types within the descendants of those early farmers from the Middle East who migrated north and westwards, whilst other peoples will have migrated into the Middle East over millennia, both removing the existing peoples and changing their haplogroup types through breeding in with them and in some cases outbreeding them.
Palaeolithic and mesolithic populations from Europe have already been tested for their DNA types and this has shown that there were existing Stone Age populations living within Europe around the time of the last glaciation. Their DNA shows that such groups from 45,000 years ago to around 11,000 years ago were different to the later farmers that moved in. These results show that there is little continuity between the aboriginal hunter-gatherers of Europe and the later farmers.
Second Part
One such study by Joachim Burger from Mainz University in Germany shows that the first farmers were not the direct ancestors of modern Europeans so there are pieces missing in the jigsaw which shows both the paucity of data at present and the complexities inherent within this field of research.
Studies led by the University of Leicester into European paternal Lineages show that the haplogroup R1b1b2 (the commonest European Y-chromosomal lineage, increasing from east to west) has its origins from a single source in the Middle East and came into Europe via Anatolia (modern day Turkey) during the Neolithic. In contrast most maternal lineages descended from hunter-gatherers, which suggest that the newer farming males had breeding advantages over the indigenous hunter-gatherers during this transitional phase as Europe embraced the Neolithic Revolution from thee newer immigrants.
The R1b1b2 mutation was brought into Europe by these immigrant farmers, and the same degree of expansion from this centre also led to the expansion of other haplogroups , for example along the southern shore of the Mediterranean, sub-Saharan Africa.
We must also not forget that agriculture and the change to a sedentary lifestyle was also brought about in other areas of the world, without the influence of the Middle East (or the English and Irish!). For example, in India, the Far East and the Americas all evolved farming methods independently of one another.
It is incorrect to state that R1b represents the Palaeolithic Europeans (Cro-Magon) that had migrated southwards and eastwards at the peakof the last Ice Age, then recolonised Central and Northern Europe once the ice sheet had retreated. The phylogeny of R1b proves that this was not possible as older R1b is found in Central Asia and the Middle East, and the youngest in Western and Northern Europe. There is a clear gradient from East to West that traces the migration of R1b people and which is linked with the spread of farming. This also matches the spread of Indo-European languages .
Third Part
Lee Barnes's hypothesis sees the introduction of farming and the R1b haplogroup as representing a massive influx of original European peoples back to their homelands. What he forgets is that there is no need for a large-scale exodus for the patrilineal lineages to be replaced quickly. As a result of the influence of factors such as polygamy, the effect of power and status of the new immigrants , the gender imbalance engendered by the later Bronze Age cultures and the genetic predisposition of some R1b to conceive boys, the higher percentage of male births from the newer immigrants would have led to a bias that would have out distanced the other haplogroups in the region. This replacement of matrilineal lineages would have been exponential and within a space of a few generations would have outstripped the indigenous populations.
A look at a map of the distribution of the R1b haplogroup shows that its frequency forms a gradient from the Atlantic edge of Europe where it is highest to a lower frequency in Central and Eastern Europe, and then peaks again in its Anatolian homeland. This is due to the fact that agriculture was better established in Eastern, then Central Europe, with higher densities of population, leaving R1b invaders more outnumbered than in the West.
On a political level it doesn't detract from our right to our indigenous homelands and the evidence seems to indicate fairly conclusively that later immigrants who originated from the Middle East brought agriculture (and other elements of the Neolithic Revolution) into Europe, and absorbed much of the aboriginal hunter-gatherer population, or pushed it out towards liminal environments as the newer agricultural settlements expanded.
This hypothesis seems to be based more on ideology rather than science and as such detracts from the fight for truth which should be the basis on which we base our struggle for freedom and the right to live in our homelands. Rather than attempting a model which aims to turn the Diffusionist model on its head (the idea that technology and civilisation spread out from the Near East into Europe), so that prehistory is the story of how uber-Europeans invented technology and then exported it to the rest of the world, we need to accept that some technological advancements were brought into Europe from the Middle East whilst recognising also that prehistoric Europe was equally capable of creating advanced culture and technology, sometimes parallel or ahead of other advanced cultures in the Middle East. The invention of agriculture and the hybridisation of cereal grasses is still an unknown and contentious issue which still lacks full answers.
The DNA evidence, which appears to be known but not widely debated, is that all Modern Europeans derive from the R1B halogroup that were the Cro-Magnons.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715204741.htm
http://drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29
The members of R1b are believed to be descendants of the Cro-Magnon people, the first modern humans to enter Europe, approximately 35,000 years ago. The Cro-Magnons were the first documented human artists, making sophisticated cave paintings. Famous sites include Lascaux in France, Cueva de las Monedas in Spain and Valley of Foz Côa in Portugal (the biggest open air site in Europe).
http://en.allexperts.com/e/h/ha/haplogroup_r1b_%28y-dna%29.htm
It appears that female mitochondrial DNA in modern europeans is mainly from the original R1B population that remained in Europe during the Ice Age and this DNA has remained virtually unchanged since before the Ice Age ;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051112125213.htm
Whilst the male DNA of Modern Europe males is mainly from the farmers from the R1b1b2 halogroup which underwent evolution whilst they were resident in the fertile crescent and who then returned to Europe at the end of the glaciation period ;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100119133508.htm
Therefore we see that the migrating male R1B halogroup that evolved in the fertile crescent to become the R1b1b2 males then returned and the R1b1b2 males then mated with the R1B females of archaic Europe who carried the R1B halotype.
The problem is the scientists seem not to see the bloody obvious - which is that all modern Europeans derive from the Cro-Magnon R1B Halotype.
The RIB halotype evolved into the R1b1b2 halotype in the fertile crescent, and then the males returned to Europe with their agricultural skill and took the females of the original R1B halotype as wives and mated with them.
It appears that mainly males from the fertile crescent made the return to Europe and brought agriculture with them, and they married back into the archaic female population of Europe instead of continuing to breed amongst the females of the fertile crescent.
Which is brilliant for us as this proves that ;
1) All Europeans are derived from the R1B Cro-Magnons
2) Europeans invented agriculture in the Middle East
3) That the males of the European R1b1b2 halotype who evolved in the fertile crescent did not mate with local women in the fertile crescent and dilute their European genes
4) That the males of the European R1b1b2 halotype then returned to Europe from the fertile crescent and bred with the indigenous female population of R1B females within Northern Europe and their offspring then became the Irish and English mainly
5) That virtually all Modern Europeans carry original R1B genes as females and around 60 % the European R1b1b2 genes for males, with a mixture of archaic R1B genes from the original female population also present in about 40 % of European males who are 100 % archaic eg they carry both archaic R1B mitochondrial DNA and archaic R1B Y - Chromosomes.
This then explains why the female DNA is archaic and the male DNA is newer in the case of the returned farmers, but BOTH are still descendants of the original R1B Cro-Magnon Halogroup.
Regards,
Lee
Haplogroup U (named 'Europa clan' by Stephen Oppenheimer[2]) descends from a woman, in the Haplogroup R (mtDNA) branch of the phylogenetic tree, who lived around 55,000 years ago. Her descendants gave birth to several different subgroups, some of which exhibit specific geographic homelands. The old age has led to a wide distribution of the descendant subgroups that harbor specific European, northern African, Indian, Arab, northern Caucasus Mountains and the Near East clades.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_U_%28mtDNA%29
The U genes are X genes for women, the R1B genes are Y genes for males.
First came the Halogroup P from which came the R1 Cro-Magnons, then the R1B evolved into the farmers and they then returned to Ireland etc.
Defender of Liberty said
The problem is the scientists seem not to see the bloody obvious - which is that all modern Europeans derive from the Cro-Magnon R1B Halotype.
You are partly right here in that many modern Europeans are descended from the Cro-Magnon R1b haplotype.
But this haplotype evolution occurred in the R1 "homelands" of Central Asia where it occurred within Cro-Magnons in that region.
Today, it is then dominant haplogroup found in Western Europe, and is found also in Asia and Africa.
Your hypothesis is a variant of an older and now discredited hypothesis that suggested that R1b originated from Cro-Magnons that had found refuge from the ice sheets in Iberia. However, genetic research has shown that older R1b clades are found in Central Asia and the Middle East, and the youngest in Western and Northern Europe.
This shows quite clearly that R1b was brought into Europe on the waves of successive migrations of peoples from the East and South 9who were in turn also descendants of earlier Cro-Magnons).
This evidence from genetic geneology is consistent with the evidence supplied by the introduction and spread of Bronze Age cultures in Europe and the spread of Indo-European languages.
Defender of Liberty said
Whilst the male DNA of Modern Europe males is mainly from the farmers from the R1b1b2 halogroup which underwent evolution whilst they were resident in the fertile crescent and who then returned to Europe at the end of the glaciation period ;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100119133508.htm
Therefore we see that the migrating male R1B halogroup that evolved in the fertile crescent to become the R1b1b2 males then returned and the R1b1b2 males then mated with the R1B females of archaic Europe who carried the R1B halotype.
The problem is the scientists seem not to see the bloody obvious - which is that all modern Europeans derive from the Cro-Magnon R1B Halotype.
The RIB halotype evolved into the R1b1b2 halotype in the fertile crescent, and then the males returned to Europe with their agricultural skill and took the females of the original R1B halotype as wives and mated with them.
It appears that mainly males from the fertile crescent made the return to Europe and brought agriculture with them, and they married back into the archaic female population of Europe instead of continuing to breed amongst the females of the fertile crescent.
This hypothesis simply ignores the scientific data and falls down on a number of simplistic assumptions. Assuming for an intsnstant that the hypothesis is correct, why would just the males of any population group all suddenly depart for warmer and sunnier climes, leaving the females to suffer in the colder climate of Western Europe? It's bizarre to say the least. There is no archaeological evidence to support this contention, let alone any ethnographic parallel or any other known form of human behaviour. So let's assume again that this hypothesis is correct again, we also need to ask how both populations - the females left behind in Western Europe and the enterpreneurial males now having a sojourn in SE Europe/Near East - could support any viable populations when they have now become split according to gender. And for this to carry on for close to at least 2.500 years is carrying the idea to ridiculous extremes. How on earth could either populations manage to continue without breeding - and without the support of either sex (both genders, certainly in hunter-gatherer societies have closed and rigid roles). Then after some 2, 500 years the alpha makes in the Near East, having discovered farming, brought it back to the female communities still left in Western Europe - the climate having become warm enough for the obviously soft males. The idea has just not been thought through with any scientic rigour or application of scientific data.
In fact, it is haplogroup H that is the most commonest haplogroup in all European populations, and is highest in western and northern Europe. It is also found in the Near East but with greater diversity which again suggests that it originated in the Near East and moved into Europe about 15-20,000 years ago. Its origins indicate that there was a second Palaeolithic wave about 20,000 years ago tha marked the emergence of a more advanced Palaeolitic technology.
It is haplogroup V that appears to have originated in either Europe, or possibly Africa, around 12-15,000 years ago.
Thus we have population movemnets from refugee popukations in Iberia after the retreat of the ice sheets some 13,000 years ago which have contributed substantially to the gene pool of modern western and northern Europeans. During the Neolitic and Bronze Age population movements caused by the introduction of farming and the later development of warrior societies R1b haplogroups were brought into Europe from south-east to north-west.
It is disingenous to suggest that it was Europeans who invented farming and then brought it to Europe. The sientific evidence on all fronts indicates otherwise. The contention that it was Europeand who were responsible for all major inventions and developments in the past is as sublime as those black ethno-supremacists who insist that, for instance, that Ancient Egypt was the result of black culture.
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